Computer breakdown

I am sorry, the dreaded has happened AGAIN !!!! I am sure that I am jinked....I am unable to get on the internet: am typing this from Manchester library. I have a man coming to look at it next wednesday, but I think it needs a new modem so will have to wait for him to get me one. Sincere appologies.

Anthony1855

From the BMD listings for East Ward it would appear that Anthony was born in 1855 and died in 1871 aged 16.

Joseph1850

1871 unsure about this one

Lancaster Wharton

Joseph Garnett 21 servant born Shap

1881 Willington Durham, Commercial St.

Joseph Garnett 30 labourer born Orton

Mary A 29 born Durham

Mary E 5 born Willingham

Thomas 3 born Willingham

Lily born Willingham

1891 Bishop Auckland Prospect Pl. Sunny brow

Joseph Garnett 40 colliery labourer born Orton

Hannah 29 born Staffordshire, Great Bridge

Mary E 15 born Willingham

Tom 13 "

Lily 10 "

Robert 7 "

Joseph 4 "

Jane E Anderson 7 stepdau. b.Oakenshaw Colliery

Annie Anderson 5 stepdau. b. Northumberland

1901 Gateshead Heworth, Felling

Joseph Garrett 46 Coal Depot laborer b staffordshire Orton

Hannah 37 born Staffordshire

Robert 17 coal miner laborer b. Willington

Joseph 14 coal miner driver "

Edward 7 "

Bertha 6 "

Hannah 2 Gateshead

Annie Anderson 15 s.dau Northumberland

1911 T Wesley Terrace Felling On Tyne (Durham)

Joseph Garnett 60 labourer born Orton

Hannah 44 born Staffordshire

Edward 17 miner puller born Sunnybrow

Bertha 16 "

Hannah 12 born Gateshead

James 8 born Felling

Jane Ellen Cable 26 married dau. born Kingshaw?

Annie 8 born Bunston

Eva 4 born Southwark

Doras 1 "

Joseph Collingwood 36 boarder quarryman stone

born Felling

HANNAH has been married for 20 years

she has had 10 children, 5 have died - does this include children before she married Joseph?

Daniel1852

From the BMD listing for East Ward it would appear that Daniel was born in 1852 and died in 1867 aged 14.

Christopher1846

1861 Hawkshead Hall

Christopher Garnett 14 b. Orton Servant to William Milner 82 b. Whinfell

1871 Skelwith Bridge, Ambleside

Christopher Garnett 25 Gardener b. Orton

Sarah Jane 28 b. Hawkshead

Robert 5 b. Slot Park

Margaret A 3 b. Low Park

Joseph 1 b. Outgate

marriage Dec Q 1864 Ulverstone, Christopher Garnett and Sarah Jane Gilpin

1881 Foul Step Cottages, Skelwith Bridge

Christopher Garnett 35 Gardener b. Orton

Sarah Jane 39 b. Hawkshead

Agnes Jane 9 b. Loughrigg

Thomas 7 "

Christopher 4 "

William 3 "

Anthony 1 "

Robert Garnett 15 farm servant b. Slott Park at Hawkshead.

1891 Sedburgh, Frostrow and Soolbank

Millthrop Cottage

Christopher Garnett 45 farm labourer b. Orton

Sarah Jane 46 b. Hawkshead

Agnes Jane 19 woollen mill hand b. Ambleside

Thos. 17

Christopher 14 woollen mill hand "

Wm 13 " "

Anthony 11 "

Sarah Eliz 9 "

Joe 4 Sedburgh

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West Derby, Walton

Bootle 7 Grimshaw st.

Robert Garnett 25 Omnibus driver (groom) b. Liverpool

Margaret 20 b. Liverpool

Sarah J 1 b. Bootle

Margaret OConnor 60 widow visitor b. Ireland

1901 Sedburgh

Christopher Garnett 54 Sewage farm manager b. Orton

Sarah Jane 50 b. Hawkshead

Agnes Jane Lakin 28 widow woollen factory hand b. Braythaw?

Anthony Garnett 21 widow " "

John Kendal 14 boarder " b. Preston

Samuel Lakin 6 grandson b. Sedburgh

MarQ 1901 Sedbergh Anthony Garnett + Ada Jane Kendall

MarQ 1901 Sedbergh Death Ada Jane Garnett

same page as

William Garnett 23 woollen factory hand b. Braythaw

Jane 21 b. Sedbergh

John W 2 "

Redgnel 1 "

JunQ 1898 Sedbergh William Garnett + Jane Leighton

5 Millthrop, Sedburgh

Robert Garnett 37 labourer & bus driver b. Kendal

Margaret 34 b. Liverpool

Sarah J. "

Thomas 8 "

Marthwaite and Soolbank, Folly Court

Mistranscribed

Christopher Emnett 24 Gardener domestic b. Ambleside

Margaret 30 b. Scotland

Christopher T 1 b. Sedbergh

MarQ 1899 Christopher Garnett + Margaret Nelson

Wickersgill, Shap

Thomas Garnett 27 General labourer b. Skelwith Bridge

Mary 33 b. Sedbergh

Joe 3 "

Sarah E 1 b. Shap

Robert Nelson 9 stepson b. Sedbergh

next to

Albert Kendall 23 General labourer b. Grayrigg

Sarah E 19 b. Skelwith Bridge

Thomas 9 brother b. Hay Fell

DecQ 1900 Sedbergh Sarah Elizabeth Garnett + Albert Kendal

same page as

William Garnett 28 (son of John and Margaret)

next page

Margaret Garnett (widow of John) & family

Does this show there was still contact between the two sets of families. All coming together to work at Shap Granite works?

1911 Sedburgh

Christopher Garnett 67 Sewyse farm manager for district council b. Orton

Sarah Jain 70 married 46 years 12 children 8 alive b. Hawkshead

Anthony 30 labourer for district council b. Braythers

Samuel Lakin 16 grandson wool facty labourer b. Sedbergh

Cockle St.

Christopher Garnett 34 gardener, domestic b. Brathy

Margaret 37 married 12 years 4 children all alive b. Dumfres.

Christer Thomas 11 b. Sedbergh

Emma Jane 9 "

Margaret Ann 7 "

Wilfred Walker 5 "

Folly Yard, Sedbergh

Robert Garnett 45 omnibus driver for Black Bull Hotel b. Ulverston

Margaret 42 married 21 years 2 children both alive b. Liverpool

Salt Pie Sedbergh

William Garnett 33 road scavinger for council b. Bridge Skelith

Jane 31 married 13 years 7 children all alive b. Sedbergh

John Wm 12 "

Reginald 11 "

Jenny 9 "

Annie 7 "

Frances 5 "

Mary 3 "

Phylis 1 "

22 New Road Kendal

Thomas Garnett 36 plate layer b. Skelwith

Mary 42 married 14 years 5 children 4 alive b. Sedbergh

Robert 18 labourer (Nelson) "

Joe 13 "

Agnes 7 b. Oxenholme, Natland

Christopher 5 b. Kendal

Millthrop

Albert Kendal 34 Teaser in woollen mill b.Killington

Sarah Elizabeth 28 married 10 years 3 children 2 alive b. Skellwaith

Ernest Kendal 9 b. Shap

John Kendal 7 b. Sedbergh

Thomas Kendal 18 brother b. Old Hutton

SepQ 1902 Kendal Agnes Jane Lakin + Thomas Hodgson

William1844

1861 Cragg, Birkbeck Fells, Orton

William Metcalf 37 farmer + family

William Garnet 16 servant born Orton

1871 Sedburgh Cautley & Soolbank

William Garnett 26 farm servant born Orton

to Edmund Brownrigg 36 farmer and family.

1881 Sedburgh Back Lane

William Garnett 34 groom dom. serv. born Orton

Mary Ann 30 born Cumb. Adingham

1891 Shap Granite works

William Garnett 46 General Labourer

Mary Ann 39

Next door to John Garnett

1901 Shap Pleasant View

William Garnett 55 concreter cement born Orton

Mary A 49 born Cumb.

Annie Simpson 24 general servant born Cumb.

1911 Derby House, Orton, Tebay

William Garnett 66 assisting in laundry work b. Orton

Mary Ann 59 laundress at home b. Addingham

They have been married 39 years.

No children born.

Not able to find marriage.

From 1861 census Mary Ann Smith b 1855 Addingham living Kirkoswald or

Mary Ann Dowson b 1856 Addingham living Hutton

neither provides a lead.

Sarah1848

to be filled in later

James1843

Have only found him in 1891

James Garnett 50 single cowman b.Orton to Thomas Pearson 66 farmer

at Murton (may be Marton) in East Ward.

and a possible death James Garnett age 60 JunQ 1901 East Ward.

Thomas1841

This line has fascinated me because he came to Salford. Also I am sure Wendy is most interested in this information.

1861
Burnley Colne 3
Little Marsden, Briesfield
Thomas Garnett 20 shoemaker born Orton
Mary 23 born Orton

(possible marriage DEC 1860 Bradford Yk. Thomas Garnett
to either Mary Bottomley or Mary Waterhouse)

1871
Auckland, Bishop Auckland 3
Newton Cop Bank
Thomas Garnett 30 Boot and shoemaker born Orton
Mary 31 born Yorks. Swaledale
Thomas 9 born Marsden
Elizabeth 4 born Bishop Auckland
Mary J.P. 2 born Bishop Auckland

1881
Auckland, Bishop Auckland 7
16 Southgate St.
Thomas Garnett 40 Foreman shoemaker born Orton
Mary 41 born Yorks. Richmond
Eliz. 14 born Bishop Auckland
Mary J. 12 born Bishop Auckland
Anthony 8 born Bishop Auckland
Michael 6 born Bishop Auckland

1891
Salford Pendleton 6
257 Broad St.
Thomas Garnett 50 shoemaker born Bassenthwaite
Mary 51 born Swaldale Yorks.
Elizabeth 24 dressmaker born Shildon Durham
Mary J. H. 22 boot shop assistant born Bishop Auckland
Anthony 18 boot shop assistant born Bishop Auckland

(note: next to Inn, could this help identify whereabouts on Broad St?)

1901
Lanchester, Tanfield 1
Beamish, Stanley
Thomas Garnett 60
Elizabeth 32
Alvay Sage 21

Why did Thomas and Elizabeth go up to Lanchester?
When did they leave Salford?
Might it have to do with the possible death (Mar 1893 Anthony Daniel Garnett age 20 Salford).
Did Thomas return to Salford possible death ( Mar 1909 Thomas Garnett age 67 Salford)?
Look for death of Thomas's wife.
Thomas's children stayed in Salford.

Barbara1839

to be filled in later

Elizabeth1833

to be filled in later

John1832

to be filled in later.

Following layout

I will now look at each of the children of Thomas1808, mainly using census records.

Parish records : Orton

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm

The Mormons in the USA have copies of many parish records and have produced what is known as the IGI. It is important to remember that they do not cover all the churches. Many original parish records have been lost or destroyed. The IGI should be used as a finding aid as mistakes have sometimes been made. So it should always be an aim to track down the original parish records and have a look - hence the desire to visit Kendal records office. I have spent many an hour at Manchester central library squinting at films of parish records and I freely admit that this is the part that I am worst at. I find it really difficult to decipher old writing....and some of the films are very poor quality. Anyways back to the matter at hand. The above site links to the Mormons site, it is handy because you can go to a parish. So in this case go down the page to England, then Westmorland and then O for Orton. The C numbers refer to Christenings the M to Marriages. So clicking on C055671 (known as a batch number) will take you to christenings in Orton, put in Garnett and that will give you a list of Garnetts christened at Orton, click on a name to view parents. This is how I compiled the following lists.

Garnetts christened at Orton from C055671 (1746-1805,1799-1875)
(grouped in possible families)
Anthony Garnet 27 Jun 1747 William Garnet + Mary
Elizabeth Garnet 2 Jul 1749 William Garnet + Mary
Mary Garnet 19 Mar 1754 William Garnet + Mary
Margaret Garnet 19 Mar 1754 William Garnet + Mary
Anne Garnet 26 Jun 1757 William Garnet + Mary
Thomas Garnet 16 Feb 1760 William Garnet + Mary
Mary Garnet 4 Sep 1775 William Garnet + Mary

Mary Garnet 2 Apr 1774 Thomas Garnet + Mary
Edmund Garnet 31 Mar 1776 Thomas Garnet + Mary
died 4 Mar 1780

Agnes Garnett 16Oct 1782 William Garnett + Mary

Sarah Garnett 12 Nov 1827 Christopher + Catherine
Robert Garnett 19 Dec 1830 Christopher + Catherine
Joseph Garnett 24 Jan 1832 Christopher + Catherine
died 16 Jun 1832
Jane Garnett 15 Nov 1829 Christopher + Catherine

John Garnett 19 Feb 1832 Thomas Garnett + Elizabeth
Elizabeth Garnett 11 Aug 1833 Thomas Garnett + Elizabeth
Barbara Garnett 25 Aug 1839 Thomas Garnett + Margaret
Thomas Garnett 18 Apr 1841 Thomas Garnett + Margaret
James Garnett 15 Jan 1843 Thomas Garnett + Margaret
William Garnett 25 Dec 1844 Thomas Garnett + Margaret
Christopher Garnett 2 Jul 1846 Thomas Garnett+ Margaret
Sarah Garnett 30 Apr 1848 Thomas Garnett + Margaret

Margaret Gill Garnett 19 Jan 1851 Elizabeth

Rebecca Garnett 16 Oct 1862 Barbara

Elizabeth Garnett 9 Apr 1857 John Garnett + Margaret
Thomas Garnett 29 Dec 1858 John Garnett + Margaret
Margaret Garnett 23 Sep 1861 John Garnett + Margaret
Mary Garnett 29 Jun 1865 John Garnett + Margaret
John Garnett 29 Oct 1865 John Garnett + Margaret

Garnett marriages at Orton M055671 (1746-1870)
Elizabeth Garnet + Thomas Graham 24 Dec 1746
Elizabeth Garnet + John Holme 26 Feb 1770
Thomas Garnett + Mary Collinson 12 Apr 1773
William Garnet + Mary Powley 2 Jan 1775
Ann Garnett + William Armstrong 3 Oct 1790
Margaret Garnet + James Asbridge 14 Mar 1796
Mary Garnett + William Holme 23 Dec 1801
Agnes Garnett + Thomas Moss 15 Jan 1812
Rebecca Garnett + David Myers 25 Dec 1826
Thomas Garnett + Elizabeth Dobson 16 Aug 1830
Jane Garnett + John Thompson Nicholson 23 May 1836
Thomas Garnett + Margaret Richardson 20 Oct 1838
Elizabeth Garnett + Robert Hadwen 6 Jun 1840
John Garnett or Cannon + Rachael Whitehead 1853
Babara Garnnett + John Watt 17 May 1869

(Please check against the original site).

I have coloured in green the one I think belong to our Garnetts.

Where is Orton?

One thing that I have slowly had to come to terms with when looking at Westmorland records is the relevance of parish and place. It seems to me that on the census returns for the birthplace sometimes they gave the parish - Orton or Kendal and other times they might use the actual place, of course they do not tell you which. My feeling is that our Garnetts did not live in the village of Orton itself. Although that was the church they used. From the limited research I did last time the baptisms for my own line show that John returned to Orton church to christen some of his children there while he lived in the parish of Crosby Ravensworth and Shap so they obviously felt a strong tie to Orton.

There was another 'Garnett family' in the parish records (Garnett married into the Holme line). At the moment I can find no link to our Garnetts and at present my feeling is that there is no link. Part of this reason is that they lived in Orton itself and I think they were 'rich' our Garnetts were 'poor'.

The names associated with our Garnetts are Bretherdale, Roundthwaite and Greenholme. The following interesting site shows where abouts they are :
http://www.ukvillages.co.uk/ukvillages.nsf/bx?open&s=villagebody2007&v=bretherdale%20head-cumbria

Interesting information and photos of Orton can be found on this site:
http://www.visitcumbria.com/pen/orton.htm

Research information on Orton parish.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/Orton/index.htm

East Ward BMD

From 1837 people were suppose to register births, marriages and deaths. Two copies were made at the registry office - one that office kept and the other was sent to London. The London office has an index from which you can order certificates from the GRO. Some local registry offices have also made their indexes available online. Unfortunately Westmorland is not one of them. Sometimes mistakes were made. Some births were not registered especially in the earlier years as people thought that christening their children in church was the same as registering and also they were not punished for not registering. There are the ususal problems with name spelling and illegible writing !!!

The GRO indexes are available on this site :
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
It is free to use, you do not need to register.
Sheila, you need to click on the red box that says search down at the bottom.

So if you have a name on the census you can check the year of their birth on the birth certificate index.
With a marriage, by clicking on the last number you can see a list of possible partners so you might be able to work out a brides maiden name.
You can try to find out the year someone died.
You can see other possible relatives living in the same area.

The year is divided into four quarters - so if it says Dec. that means it was registered in October, November or December. If a birth was say registered in the October then the birth could have been in the September. You also need to know the district.

Orton is in the district called East Ward, of course it will also include other places. So I highlighted that in the list on the right.
Put the start date as Sept 1837 (earliest), finish date 1901. Put just surname as Garnett. Then press search. From that I compiled the following list.


Marriage DEC 1838 Thomas (Margaret Richardson)
Birth SEP 1839 Barbara
Marriage JUN 1840 Elizabeth (Robert Hadwen)
Birth MAR 1841 Thomas
Birth MAR 1841 Thomas
Birth SEP 1841 Dorothy
Birth MAR 1843 James
Birth SEP 1843 Margaret
Birth DEC 1844 William
Birth SEP 1845 Elizabeth Margaret
Birth JUN 1846 Christopher
Birth JUN 1846 Jane
Death JUN 1847 Jane
Birth JUN 1848 Elizabeth
Birth JUN 1848 Sarah
Birth JUN 1850 Joseph
Birth DEC 1850 Margaret Gill
Birth SEP 1852 Daniel
Marriage JUN 1853 John (Rachel Whitehead)
Death MAR 1854 Robert
Birth SEP 1854 John
Birth DEC 1854 Thomas
Birth MAR 1855 Anthony
Birth MAR 1857 Elizabeth
Birth Death JUN 1857 Mary Ann
Birth DEC 1858 Thomas
Marriage SEP 1860 Mary Jane (?)
Birth SEP 1862 Rebecca
Marriage SEP 1864 Elizabeth Margaret (?)
Birth MAR 1865 Jane
Death JUN 1867 Daniel age 14
Birth SEP 1867 Mary
Death MAR 1868 Elizabeth age 53
Birth JUN 1868 Robert
Marriage JUN 1869 Barbara (John Watt)
Death JUN 1870 Robert age 2
Death SEP 1871 Anthony age 16
Birth MAR 1872 Frederick
Birth SEP 1872 William
Birth SEP 1873 Elizabeth
Marriage DEC 1873 Elizabeth (?)
Death MAR 1875 Margaret age 64
Death SEP 1878 Thomas age 63
Birth DEC 1878 Polly
Death DEC 1878 Polly age 0
Birth DEC 1879 Thomas Dawson
Birth SEP 1881 Frederick Ripley
Death DEC 1882 Thomas Dawson age 1
Birth DEC 1882 Thomas
Death DEC 1882 Thomas age 0
Death MAR 1884 Elizabeth age 68
Death JUN 1884 Mary Jane age 10
Death MAR 1885 Thomas age 76
Marriage MAR 1896 Joseph (?)
Marriage SEP 1896 William John (Mary Jane Warwick)
Death Jun 1901 James age 60 (possibly ours)


Also for the surname Garnet
Marriage JUN 1841 Thomas (?)

I have highlighted the ones which we know belong to our Garnett family in red.

Thomas1808 (census)

1841
East Ward, Orton 6
Township of Tebay
Roundthwaite
Thomas Garnett 30 Ag. Lab
Margaret 30
John 9
Barbara 1
Thomas 11 m

1851
East Ward, Appleby 2d
Tebay
Roundthwaite
Thomas Garnett 43 Ag. Lab born Kendal
Margaret 40 born Warcop
Thomas 10 born Orton
James 8 born Orton
William 6 born Orton
Christopher 4 born Orton
Sarah 2 born Orton
Joseph 11m born Orton

1861
East Ward, Orton 4a
Bretherdale
Stead
Thomas Garnett 52 stone mason born Kendal
Margaret 50 born Warcop
James 1? Ag lab born Orton
Joseph 11 born Orton
Daniel 8 born Orton
Anthony 6 born Orton

1871
East Ward, Orton 4
Bretherdale
New house
Thomas Garnett 62 Waller and Lab. born Kendal
Margaret 60 born Warcop
Sarah 22 born Orton

1881
East Ward, Orton 4
Bretherdale
Low Stead
Thomas Garnett 72 Ag. Lab born Kendal

Garnetts from Orton.

This is the family which I can say for some kind of certainty is 'our' family. Oral family history takes my branch back to Shap within the census years and from there I have tracked back through the census to this family.
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Thomas Garnett was my ggggrandfather. He was christened in Kendal parish and came to Orton parish sometime before the 1841 census, he married twice and had at least 11 children.

He married Elizabeth Dobson on 16 Aug 1830 at Orton.
He had two children with Elizabeth,
John Garnett c. 19 Feb 1832 Orton
Elizabeth Garnett c. 11 Aug 1833 Orton
(sometime between 1833 and 1838 Elizabeth the wife must have died)

He married Margaret Richardson on 20 Oct 1838 at Orton.
He had the following children with Margaret
Barbara Garnett c. 25 Aug 1839 Orton
Thomas Garnett c. 18 Apr 1841 Orton
James Garnett c. 15 Jan 1843 Orton
William Garnett c. 25 Dec 1844 Orton
Christopher Garnett c. 2 Jul 1846 Orton
Sarah Garnett c. 30 Apr 1848 Orton
Joseph Garnett born 1850
Daniel Garnett born 1852
Anthony Garnett born 1855

Welcome to Wendy.

Welcome and a big thank you to Wendy. Wendy is a 'half' cousin - sorry do not know the correct terminology. Our common ancestor is Thomas 1808. Wendy has kindly shared information about the Thomas 1841 line. (I was very impressed by your family tree Wendy.)

Welcome to Sharon.

Welcome and thank you very much to Sharon. Although not a 'Garnett' herself, Sharon has shared some interesting information about her Uncle Christopher 1887.

Introduction

Welcome.

First off I do not claim to be an expert in this family history search, and realise I make mistakes so if you spot one or would like to challenge my ideas please feel free I shall not be offended.

I know I do all the things we are not suppose to do - I am not organized, I jump from one family to another, I go forward and sideways and most importantly I am guilty of making ASSUMPTIONS - if I was rich and free to go out and about to record offices etc. I would do it the proper way finding certificates etc. but I am not so have to make do with what I can.

I have put on here a lot of the ways I use Internet sites - this is so my dear dear sister (hello Sheila) can follow what I have done and see if she can get the same results as myself. As she does not have access to Ancestry.co.uk I will just post findings from the census for her to see.

I always like to acknowledge people for passing on information - this I shall do just using christian names (I am paranoid about identity fraud). Also no information about living people in such a way as they could be identified. So on that note the time period being studied is loosely before World War 1.

I am afraid I do not have a "tree" anywhere on the Internet. My research is an ongoing although slow affair - I must admit I am less interested in dates etc. and more interested in the lives of my ancestors so I frequently am led astray by social history. Another area of knowledge I am slowly slowly building up is geography. So you may find many ramblings and not relevant writings on here feel free to skip read them if you are not interested.

Why a blog? well it is very easy to go back and update information. I can more easily put down explanations and I can easily erase. I am not very good at computers. (In fact I am frightened of them.) Some of the information I shall post is of Garnett families who we are not related to (or more accurately can find no evidence to link us yet) so that they can be eliminated from our line.

As many of the christian names are used often for example Thomas, I shall put the year of birth after to make clear which one it is.

Sometimes I may duplicate information in different parts of the blog, this is because the only thing I dislike about a blog is it is difficult to jump about from one part to another when it gets large.